kerry in 2004 and john mccain in 2008 the only from d to are in the election and those are the voters that president obama once derided to their guns in the region and they are the exact kind of white working-class voters having the most trouble connecting with. succumb if the republicans are going to put in play the will to live in a sneak attack way and on the western half of the state the obama campaign as well by the way they've got to turn out machine the philadelphia there's a reason some of these are not advertising in philadelphia. they don't want the obama campaign to janelle to their turnout machine and that machine is going to start getting engaged and that is what is going to drive president obama's margin in pennsylvania. will be the philadelphia county area in southeastern pennsylvania. >> we are talking about a surprise in 2012. last year on twitter michelle said this tired of october surprise at this point. game for the beltway pundit. the majority of citizens are made up already and they've already voted. >> she's probably right. there are a lot of people that have al